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pddod
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:49 am    Post subject: issues with my ISP Reply with quote

ok i can host my server. but once when i was talking with comcast home about my speed issues (i will get to that later) i told them i was hosting. and they said its aginst their agreement. i looked at it online and it says "commercial websites" mine is a personal one. so i want to know if me hosting my website is causing my internet issues.

INTERNET ISSUES:
i am using comcast home cable service and am using a sb3100 modem i got when i was using cablevision in new jersey. now i live in PA and am still using the same modem. COPYRIGHT on modem is 1997-2000 so i think i need to upgrade. my dad i think is going to comcast to buy a new one today when he gets home from work. but i just want to know if this will fix my issues. i also have my speed tweaked IE the RWIN and STUFF is tweaked. i am using an alienware laptop too and im having issues with heat. my computer hasnt like rebooted or anything but i also use this computer as my main computer too. if you want to know the kind of speeds i get right now i get:
download speed 60kbps
upload speed 300kbps

YES i said kilo-bits-per-2nd

sad heh. i am advertised as getting 6000 or 6 meg speed.

also plz check out my website
http://pddod.no-ip.info/
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MonkeyNation
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took me a few reads to find your problem, but, there could be a lot of causes.
If it's suddenly started happening, and your upstream speed is unaffected, then I'd go with a dodgy modem/router; otherwise I'd go with a problem at their end, ask your neighbours who use comcast etc.

Also, are you saying that you're using a notebook as a server? Isn't advisable, really.
If you want to improve cooling on a notebook, you can get mat-type things to put under the laptop, with fans in. No idea what they'd be called, you'll have to search.
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pddod
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know about those laptop coolers.

i will be switching the server i hope. i have a nother computer
SPECS ::
athlon 64 3200+
512MB ram
ETC ETC ETC

so that will be the server

EDIT :: my dad just woke up. so ill ask him when he is awake. if he will get that new modem.

also about that COMCAST issue with the licence agreement. is it legal to be hosting on a personal service. or do i have to pay the big bucks and get buisness.
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MonkeyNation
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pddod wrote:
i know about those laptop coolers.

i will be switching the server i hope. i have a nother computer
SPECS ::
athlon 64 3200+
512MB ram
ETC ETC ETC

so that will be the server

EDIT :: my dad just woke up. so ill ask him when he is awake. if he will get that new modem.

also about that COMCAST issue with the licence agreement. is it legal to be hosting on a personal service. or do i have to pay the big bucks and get buisness.


No idea, I'd email their support staff for a definete answer.
I'd guess that it would cover any website, but if you want to risk it, go ahead, comcast blow*, there are plenty of better providers.

*-Fags added my old server to their spam filter list, because of the IP being in the hostmask.
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pddod
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, but in my area? i dont think there are. i think i only got comcast and verision DSL

about that spam filter list. i think im on it too. lol. but finny thing is. i dont even have a email from my ip.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pddod wrote:
yeah, but in my area? i dont think there are. i think i only got comcast and verision DSL

about that spam filter list. i think im on it too. lol. but finny thing is. i dont even have a email from my ip.


My host is 62-249-233-57.no-dns-yet.enta.net, you see my IP is inside the hostmask, which is typical of dynamic addresses. So, because spammers often send mail using an aol trail or something, so they can't be traced, it blocks the mail.
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pddod
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMFG. i got a call from comcast saying they dont want a server to be hosted on my ip basicly.

but the catch is here:
Quote:
Prohibited Uses of the Service: Use of the Customer Equipment, Comcast Equipment or the Service for transmission or storage of any information, data or material in violation of any federal, state or local law or regulation is prohibited. In addition, unless you are subject to a Service plan that expressly permits otherwise, the Service is to be used, and you expressly agree to use it, solely in a private residence, living quarters in a hotel, hospital, dormitory, sorority or fraternity house, or boarding house, or the residential portion of a premises which is used for both business and residential purposes. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network. You agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Comcast and its affiliates, suppliers, and agents against all claims and expenses (including reasonable attorney fees) arising out of any....


did you read that main part:

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the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network.


in my mind this does not apply to me. i am a PERSONAL ENTITY. not a buisness. or a enterprise. i am a 16 year old kid that wants to learn about networking and webmastering.

oh yeah i also got a new modem. a RCA and my speeds have improoved slightly.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold up. Read through some of these definitions. Please note the underlined snippets. These snippets apply to the definition of Web hosting.

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Definitions of Web Hosting on the Web:

The World Wide Web is a massive collection of web sites, all hosted on computers (called web servers) all over the world. The web server (computer) where your web site's html files, graphics, etc. reside is known as the web host. Web hosting clients simply upload their web sites to a shared (or dedicated) webserver, which the ISP maintains to ensure a constant, fast connection to the Internet.
www.1stdomain.net/info/glossary.html

providing space on Internet servers for the storage of World Wide Web sites which can be accessed by others through the network. This service is usually offered by ISPs or web hosting specialists.
cyber.law.harvard.edu/readinessguide/glossary.html

websites are composed of a multitude of computer files that reside on a server. That server hosts the website.
datacenter.5points.net/datacenter/support/glossary/

An arrangement where you allow an agency to host your website for you on their Web Server for a fee.
www.optymise.co.nz/resources/glossary.asp

A service that is offered to piggy back a website construction, for those who would like to have a presence on the World Wide Web and do not have their own domain set-up on the Internet. It may display information about their company or organization in the form of Web pages. One does not need a computer or Internet access to be hosted.
www.treelink.com/glossary.htm

A Web hosting company is a company that specialises in hosting Web sites for other companies on their computers. Typically an ISP also offers Web-hosting services.
www.med.govt.nz/irdev/elcom/guide/guide-05.html

A services that stores your information (or website) on a server, allowing it to be accessed by users on the Internet.
www.canadawebcenter.com/glossary.htm

A service enabling a person or company to store Web pages on the hosting provider's servers.
www.accenture.com/xd/xd.asp

Operating a server for another company or individual. Web pages can also be hosted, stored, and taken care of on a server.
www.dsl-experts.com/broadband_glossary_w.htm

Internet service providers offer web hosting to customers looking for an internet presence for there family and small business.
www.top-internet-providers.com/Dictionary.htm

Web hosting (also known as Webhosting, Web site hosting, and hosting) is the business of housing, serving, and maintaining files for one or more Web site. Also see Hosting
www.bytepile.com/definitions-w.php

Web hosting is a service that provides Internet users with online systems for storing information, images, video, or any content accessible via the web. Web hosts are companies that provide space on a server they own for use by their clients as well as providing Internet connectivity, typically in a data center. Web hosts can also provide data center space and connectivity to the Internet for servers they do not own to be located in their data center.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_hosting


If you are not using this server for the purposes of the underlined snippets above, then you are not web hosting.
In the definitions above most of them says something about a service enabling a person or company to store Web pages on a provider's servers.
If you are not enabling a person or company to store Web pages on your server, then I am pretty sure it is OK to use the Abyss Web Server to do what You want.
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pddod
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont let me answer that. i am just a kid. of corse i will say im not doing anything aginst the agreement.

anyways i am running the server on my own personal computer. i use it for everything. not just web hosting serving.
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Jeeper One
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone:

First off...Newbie here, so please be kind & gentle. I break easily. :D

Secondly...Hey kid, if your server is on Port 80, that will get you in trouble more than anything. As a Comcast customer myself here in Denver, CO, I can personally tell you that those reps. are trained to assume that you're operating against the TOS without even asking.

And the truth is many of them don't.

If you're lucky enough to find a rep. with any knowledge of software-based web servers (I used to run a DNS2GO myself server awhile back and am trying to get back "into the game" as it were with my brand new Abyss Web Server that I just downloaded today :D), you would find that they would know that you can change the port (and probably tell you how to do it too!).

But above all else.....Don't tell 'em you're still hosting. This will only dig you into (and your parents?) into a deeper hole which you don't need to be in.

Just my $.02 worth... :)

Cheers for now :)

Pat (a.k.a. Jeeper One)
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Anonymoose
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are misreading the ToS, you need to learn the difference between 'and' and 'or'.

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the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications


It is not saying that you can do all of the prohibited things if you are a non commercial / personal user. It is saying you must be a personal / non commercial user, [b]and[b] you agree not to run any types of server.

The
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for any business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network.
is another 'or', not an 'and'.

That said, just do what most people do and carry on hosting on a different port. Just don't be suprised when they turn up on your doorstep...
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