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goose -
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:44 pm Post subject: making my own server? |
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aprelium any good books on internet programming for clients and servers?
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aprelium -
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: making my own server? |
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goose wrote: | aprelium any good books on internet programming for clients and servers?
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We recommend books from O'Reilly (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/). They have really good stuff about programming in general and about web servers/web programming in particular.
Any other suggestions? _________________ Support Team
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goose -
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 8:19 am Post subject: |
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maybe im blind but where i didnt see any? |
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CapFusion -
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 1:06 am Post subject: |
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goose wrote: | maybe im blind but where i didnt see any? |
Your question is too gneral regarding
Quote: | books on internet programming for clients and servers? |
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aprelium -
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 1:39 am Post subject: |
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goose wrote: | maybe im blind but where i didnt see any? |
Search there for PHP or Perl, you'll find a lot of books about them. You can also search for other topics (see the left black frame and scroll it until "Book series" section). Try also their collections "In a nutshell" ( http://nutshells.oreilly.com/ ). _________________ Support Team
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goose -
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 6:34 am Post subject: |
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the books im looking for info on are as follows how to write webservers== like abyss...mail servers like mailenable... and eudora etc....irc clients and servers like mirc and so on....
i believe some of these books are hard to find . especially when it comes to tcp/ip network programming with regards to internet applications.
more book info would be handy....
here is one book i found that describes how to build these apps!
building internet applications using visual c++
by Kate Gregory
she talks about how to build client side apps for email , ftp, news , gopher, finger , whois, and a webserver ---server side app
this is the sort of info im after (especially windows socket programming etc.) |
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aprelium -
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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goose, for us, the best way to understand how servers work is to read source code of free available ones. Frankly, we never found an interesting book about that topic. _________________ Support Team
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CapFusion -
Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 617 Location: Lost in Abyss' Dungeon
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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goose, why don't you try reverse coding Abyss and see what it truely look like. You never know what lay underneath this beast. It may have a small spyware thing attach that no one have discover it yet. Probably why it is FREE, J/K :D Aprelium :D _________________ CapFusion,... |
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goose -
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:05 am Post subject: |
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hmmm... i might reverse engineer , but im not a hacker hehe ...and im not one to steal...anyway there seems to be a few books out there ...but very few which is a shame. but maybe i can get something from them. yes its good to learn from others code ...but with bad commenting and hard to read is wasting time. im more interested in the core code and what everyone has to use and build around it.
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goose -
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:08 am Post subject: |
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aprelium, sounds like u did things the hard way! :wink: |
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aprelium -
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:46 am Post subject: |
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CapFusion wrote: | goose, why don't you try reverse coding Abyss and see what it truely look like. You never know what lay underneath this beast. It may have a small spyware thing attach that no one have discover it yet. Probably why it is FREE, J/K :D Aprelium :D |
Spyware??? What for? Making money from spywares and from ads are just legends. No one after the end of the dot com era will pay a cent for a mailing list or for spying users. _________________ Support Team
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CapFusion -
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Spyware??? What for? Making money from spywares and from ads are just legends. No one after the end of the dot com era will pay a cent for a mailing list or for spying users. |
Heehee.... Get user and visitor information regarding about where they visit and what they buy ... etc... Using Web Server is a key. The Server gather information and that information is sell to advertiser ... etc... Beside getting information from the browser, it can also gather informatin from the mail client like OE. Eventhough most DotCom are gone, there still ton of Marketing type of group out there that want your info. and use it to target a specific protential buyer. Mailing list is still valuable for certain company or group. Where there is a company out there, it have Marketing Dept. and they need mailing list for Sale Depart. to get lead and get protential buyer. _________________ CapFusion,... |
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aprelium -
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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And those Marketing guys are usually fired after a few months because they spend fortunes buying mailing lists and have only 0.0001% return :D
Besides, it is really hard to put all that you descibed in the 108 KB of Abyss. If I were you, I'll start suspecting programs that are 50 MB or more (such as Win XP :wink: ) _________________ Support Team
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CapFusion -
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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aprelium wrote: | And those Marketing guys are usually fired after a few months because they spend fortunes buying mailing lists and have only 0.0001% return :D
Besides, it is really hard to put all that you descibed in the 108 KB of Abyss. If I were you, I'll start suspecting programs that are 50 MB or more (such as Win XP :wink: ) |
Darn! :twisted: Heehe :D With a simple scripting, it capture the info. Heehe. _________________ CapFusion,... |
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goose -
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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:lol: :lol: :wink:
now thats what i call bloatware win xp (but it still crashes an burns ouch!)
mauwahahaha :arrow: stage left! |
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CapFusion -
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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goose wrote: | :lol: :lol: :wink:
now thats what i call bloatware win xp (but it still crashes an burns ouch!)
mauwahahaha :arrow: stage left! |
Windows XP is diffiniately a bloated but no one can really blame it. It try to somewhat satisfy the general public with all those different fancy theme, accessories and components to make user happy. If only they can concentrate on what the purpase of Windows truly is, just maybe it will be better.
Way back in time, Windows was just a shell of DOS and add module for add-on, now it everything under a big package. _________________ CapFusion,... |
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vbgunz -
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 1:24 am Post subject: |
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I love XP and it is no doubt Microsofts greatest OS outside of 2003 server and if one CD of XP can carry some spyware what about 3 CDs of Linux?
Just throwing in my 2 cents... It begins to feel good, btw I state this while downloading Red Hat Linux 9 shrike i386 :) _________________ Victor B. Gonzalez
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CapFusion -
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 3:51 am Post subject: |
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vbgunz wrote: | I love XP and it is no doubt Microsofts greatest OS outside of 2003 server and if one CD of XP can carry some spyware what about 3 CDs of Linux?
Just throwing in my 2 cents... It begins to feel good, btw I state this while downloading Red Hat Linux 9 shrike i386 :) |
I still enjoy Windows 2K Pro. Very simple without those extra fat. XP in the other hand is my second choice if it had to be inorder of picking. Window ME is beyond my last choice of OS. Windows ME is just Strange, it have the coe of Win98 but have some minor of Windows 2k and total up to unstable OS. Wonder why alot of people want to goto from Win98 to WinME. WinME IMO is a cripple Win98 OS and not even close to Windows2K. I am still checking on Linux base and have no opinion yet to say either good or bad at this time. _________________ CapFusion,... |
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goose -
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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anyone have anymore info on socket programming? |
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CapFusion -
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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goose wrote: | anyone have anymore info on socket programming? |
I am not sure anyone could suggest more information except to look at Amazon.com or Border or maybe Barn and Nobles. Or use google for "socket program". _________________ CapFusion,... |
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Gatewayy -
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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If you wnat to learn more about coding for IRC I suggest that you start by learning C, and then going to the various sites that maintain the source code for the various server out there and looking at their source. It is very difficult to make you own IRC server so I would suggest that you start by maknig your own client. Basing it off mIRC would probably not be the best as it uses its own panguage, you would be better off by looking at once sthat use PHP, Prl, etc. :)
To be honest it is much easier to take a version of say an IRC server that you like and then modifying it with the additions, etc that you would like to see and using that. :) _________________ -=Gatewayy=-
My Abyss site!
http://crashhappy.gatewayy.net |
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