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stephan
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 Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:09 pm Post subject: speed issues with windows |
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ok, so I've had my server up for about a week or so now, no problems, everyone can connect fine, and transfer rates are normal.
Then today I tried to connect to it from the computers at my school, and it loaded fine. Then I refreshed it for some reason, and I timed out (my timeout time is small at 20 seconds, but thats to avoid having slow 56K leechers connecting and taking up all my bandwidth) I tried reconnecting, same thing.
I thought maybe it was my school's firewall, but my friend brought up the very valid point that the biggest problem with running anything on windows for an extended period of time is that windows is a memory eating machine, and it keeps eating resources and doesnt give them up.
So my question is, is there a way to kind of run windows on the absolute total bare minimun, kind of like the terminal in linux, or just get it every day or so to dump all the resources it doesnt need to stay functional? Right now I'm running nothing on my server machine except windows and abyss (and this explorer window), but for some reason it still seems to be getting sluggish...
my server is a gateway computer (i.e. shitty motherboard) with a pentium III 700 MHz processor (i.e. shitty overclocked processor) and 128 MB RAM.
even if I can/have to reboot it and run it in DOS... if it takes up less resources, I dont mind. I can probably go out and get more RAM if you think thats the best solution... but obviously I prefer solutions which dont involve spending money to those that do...
like I said, its possible that it'smy schools firewall, but even if it isn't, I still wanna cut my resource use down to the bare minimum.
any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. |
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Anonymoose
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: speed issues with windows |
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| stephan wrote: |
I thought maybe it was my school's firewall, but my friend brought up the very valid point that the biggest problem with running anything on windows for an extended period of time is that windows is a memory eating machine, and it keeps eating resources and doesnt give them up.
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Hardly true at all for any of the NT based OS's, unless a program has an actual memory leak there's no reason for it to keep "eating memory". If you find that a program has closed and not released the memory it was using properly, there's plenty of free memory clearing utilities to do it. AnalogX MaxMem is a nice one.
http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/system/maxmem.htm
| stephan wrote: | So my question is, is there a way to kind of run windows on the absolute total bare minimun, kind of like the terminal in linux, or just get it every day or so to dump all the resources it doesnt need to stay functional? Right now I'm running nothing on my server machine except windows and abyss (and this explorer window), but for some reason it still seems to be getting sluggish...
my server is a gateway computer (i.e. shitty motherboard) with a pentium III 700 MHz processor (i.e. shitty overclocked processor) and 128 MB RAM.
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What OS are you running on it ? If you're actually running a server OS there really should be no problem, if you're running 2K or XP Pro it should still be pretty damn near perfect. There is no GUI-less mode for Windows.
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even if I can/have to reboot it and run it in DOS... if it takes up less resources, I dont mind. I can probably go out and get more RAM if you think thats the best solution... but obviously I prefer solutions which dont involve spending money to those that do...
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If you're willing to run it in DOS, why not run Linux on it instead ? You won't be able to run Abyss in DOS :lol: If you can find a TCP/IP stack, webserver and modem drivers then go for it, but it's a waste of a machine - you might as well install Linux and have a nice firewall setup etc as well. Either way, Windows should be running fine.
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like I said, its possible that it'smy schools firewall, but even if it isn't, I still wanna cut my resource use down to the bare minimum.
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Disable all unnecessary services, kill all programs you don't need, but you shouldn't be having problems on a PIII 700. I'm serving our entire intranet + providing filtering, DNS and mail from a P266 running Linux - I'd kill for a PIII :D |
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The-Hunter
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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i dont think that your problem is with memory or abyss web server ... i ran a CGI page on a Dell OptiPlex PIII 450Mhz with 128MB RAM on NT4 Server. i never had any problems ... the speed was always excellent and the server would run for 2 to 3 months without a reboot ... but from time to time, some people in England could not connect to my web or ftp servers. i did track the issue i had down to a DNS caching problem with my DynamicDNS client ... i currently use DNS2GO but when i was having the problems with no connects i was using no-ip.com.
hope this helps
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stephan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:04 am Post subject: |
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I'm running win98SE... hardly the best OS for running a server, I know, but it was the only cd I had to boot off of.
right now when i ctl-alt-del, I get this list of programs:
[the IE window I'm currently typing in now]
explorer
systray
starter
abyssws
thats all I'm running... I cant think of anything else to close.
You can see it for yourself if you want though; if you want, access me at http://24.60.198.137/ and start downloading something, and just report what kind of transfer rates you get. If its real sluggish, offer some suggestions as to how I might make it a little faster.
anyways, thanks a lot for all your help. |
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The-Hunter
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:16 am Post subject: |
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i get about 31KB/Sec on a download from your server. Windows 98 is not the best idea for a server platform. if you can upgrade to 2k pro or XP pro i would recommend it ... 98 does have some memory management issues but can be cleaned up with a good memory manager. your best bet though is to goto a NT platform if you want to stay with Windows.
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stephan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:33 am Post subject: |
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well XP I've sworn off forever... it came on my laptop and I've never hated an OS so much. I personally like an OS that puts you very close to the heart of the system (i.e. linux) and XP certainly gets you as far away as possible... plus its incredibly unstable, and VERY prone to being hacked. So I personally stay away from XP at all costs.
NT I suppose I'd use... if you can find me a free NT boot CD just sitting around somewhere. Thats the only reason I used 98; it was free. But my two main worries with using NT are:
1) isn't NT designed for large scale networks? It seems like it would come with a lot of things I dont need.
2) I don't know if I can install over my current OS without completely reformatting my HD, which I want to avoid if at all possible, seeing as I have some 8 gigs or so of stuff on there, most of which is either irreplacable, or was hand-loaded from CD which I don't wanna go through again. |
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Anonymoose
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Use Windows 2000 Professional, XP just eats up extra memory. You can disable all services you don't need, so anything more suited to a large scale network can get nuked straight off. I can't condone it, but I'm sure you could find a copy on Bittorrent or elsewhere if you needed to. You can use the Upgrade option of Windows 2000 to install over 98 without losing information, but as always, back up anything critical first.
I get about 28.1k/sec solid from your server, but you haven't mentioned what your upstream is - is this good or bad ? If you're on 256k up that's pretty good for a single thread...
What is the 'Starter' app running on your machine ? |
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The-Hunter
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:46 am Post subject: |
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hehe ... i have heard of many people that have sworn off XP ... i run it ... and have absoulty no problems. now to answer your numbers ...
1) NT is not just designed for large networks ... it can be used for a desktop enviroment ... like windows 2k pro and NT4 workstation.
2) installing over your current OS is not a good idea ... you could dual boot and then move your data then delete Win98, but the best way to do it is to wipe the HDD and do a fresh install, i have over 200 gigs of storage on one server, sometimes you have to do the inevitable.
if neither of these options are good for you, you are just going to have to put up with the Windows 98 glitches.
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stephan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Anonymoose wrote: | | What is the 'Starter' app running on your machine ? |
I'm not sure, but I closed it, and no harm seems to be done, so I'm assuming it was nothing.
| Anonymoose wrote: | | "You can use the Upgrade option of Windows 2000 to install over 98 without losing information, but as always, back up anything critical first. |
What exactly do you mean 'upgrade option?' you mean, like, i put the cd in and upodate from 98 to 2000?
And, the only other things I have on my HD are the files on my server... the ones that aren't school related I got off cd, and I just want to avoid having to reload them if I can at aoo |
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Anonymoose
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| stephan wrote: | What exactly do you mean 'upgrade option?' you mean, like, i put the cd in and upodate from 98 to 2000?
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Yes, if you put a Windows 2000 cd into a machine running 98 and run setup it will ask you if you want to upgrade 98 to Windows 2000 or make a clean install. It's not a great idea, but if you have nowhere to back your files to and you want rid of 2000 it's probably the best bet. Be warned any niggles you have in 98 will usually follow you to 2000 if you upgrade whereas they'd disappear if you did a clean install.
When you're setting up your OS in future, it's a good idea to make 2 partitions, one for the OS and apps and one for data - then when you break Windows or need to reinstall because it's crapped up you just wipe C: with no worries about your data which is all on D: :D |
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aprelium
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: speed issues with windows |
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stephan,
We can guarantee that Abyss has no memory leaks. We tested it carefully and it was still using the same memory after about 1,000,000 requests.
The new version will even try to free the memory it never uses for minimum footprint.
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