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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: downloading .exe Reply with quote

My parents put a block on my laptop that disables me from installing and/or running programs. I tried installing to a removable disk but cant run it because it is a. .exe. I tried renaming it "notepad", because it works with windows media player which they blocked too, but it didnt work. I also tried to rename the file type to .dll or .zip, but those are blocked too. Please help, this is the only computer i have, my desktop is broken.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should either ask your parents to unlock the pc or fix your own. Abyss will only run if its an exe file.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i asked, they wont let me...i only want iTunes, is there any file type that wouldnt be blocked?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try .scr

Or try and unblock it yourself.

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Just re-read the first post, RUNNING programs as well?? Are they paranoid or something?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they have a reason for blocking the files? If they dont I cannot see why they would do so.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they say its not educational, but cmon, im a teenager, and my life revolves around music and iTunes
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skijunky322 wrote:
they say its not educational, but cmon, im a teenager, and my life revolves around music and iTunes



lol most passwords are easy to crack, if your parents put it on there its at leased 50% easier, most of the time they use the same password for every thing ;) do you have 2 PC's on a network? if so back door your way it :D
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could just try every combination of characters possible (though it could take a while, lol)

Try passwords related to them, like your mums maiden name, or (if you have one) your dogs name, simple things like that, etc...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet the password has something to do with their Anniversary or Wedding day.
I know this because mostly all parents use that as their passwords, I think. lol
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol if anything since my parents are retarded at setting up anything on the PC i setup the network, and it just so happens that i can access my PC, there PC, my server, and anything else connected to the router from anywhere and if they lock me out i got the Override key for the router :D (yea its one of those expensive ones that my dad got from his work lol)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i log in to my name, and turn the wireless switch off, i get some administrator rights, but still cant downlaod or run any executable files.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is wrong but here it goes. Restart the computer and hit F8 while it's
booting up, select Safe Mode and login to the Administrator account. You don't
need a password or username to gain access to this account.

Now you can change every account's access rights.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRUSTAbyss wrote:
I know this is wrong but here it goes. Restart the computer and hit F8 while it's
booting up, select Safe Mode and login to the Administrator account. You don't
need a password or username to gain access to this account.

Now you can change every account's access rights.



Not always true. If an admin password was set when the OS was installed that password will still stand.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i heard that somewhere else too, but the acount option is not at the log in screen, but if you hit cntrl+alt+shift+F10, the "Faronics Anti-Executable Enterprise window pops up. Like i said before though, if i turn off the network button while the screen reads, "applying your personal settings", i have some access to blocked programs like cmd prompt and what not, but i still cannot download or run executables.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

your parents are stupid crazy about no exes arent they? if you can get access to the restore part of windows (if it is turned on) you can restore windows back to before they installed the program (be careful this dosent work 100% of the time)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRUSTAbyss wrote:
I bet the password has something to do with their Anniversary or Wedding day.
I know this because mostly all parents use that as their passwords, I think. lol
I'm a parent but I don't use anything related to my family or marriage as my password.

skijunky322, how old are your parents? It may well be that they are tech savvy too. And maybe you could shed some light as to why they restricted your PC rights in the first place. What you could be telling us now might be a different picture as to what you really have in your own home.

My eldest is 9 years old but I don't restrict anything from her, except for the time spent on the computer which has some influence on her scholastic performance. Although I made her aware that I cannot guarantee her privacy while she goes online, it is true that I check up on what/where my kids visit every now and then.

My unsolicited advice is learn to bargain with your parents. There are so many things teenagers can use as bargaining chips - be creative but stay on the safe side.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

first, how do i restore windows to before faronics was installed?, and to the parent who replied, my parent are both in their fifties, my dad is nearly 60, and they both practically hate technology. they want me to live like my dad did when he was a kid, so in my mind i am deprived of technological privilages, and my computer is my only chance of electronic entertainment, since i have no gaming system. I only want to get iTunes on this computer


also, i tried to write a set of commands in cmd to override the admin pass, and delete the logon.scr, but it blocks me since i do not have full permission to do that. any sugguestions?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So basically you are a second user on the laptop, like you need to login each time you switch it on ?


Navigate to the "My Computer" Icon on the "start" menu of Windows. Right click on the "My Computer" Icon and select the option "Manage" from the resulting drop-down list menu. expand the plus(+)sign that is next to the icon for "Local users and Groups". Then select the "Users" folder and it should list all the users on the computer. If you can't find the user here, it might be time for a rebuild\image\repair\restore.

Or same place select Services and Applications/Services Start /Stop programs
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bargain with them, trick them into installing it, or format.

You could try something like Ophcrack to get the administrator password too I suppose, but you'd be better off to just get them to do it for you somehow.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's what you do:

pretend to go crazy, and lock yourself into your room and hold your dog hostage until they unblock your pc.

works every time!

or, if you don't want that, try getting Damn Small Linux on a little bootable cd or some other livecd and run linux. thats how I get past all the stuff on my school's computers. It thinks it an entirely diffrent pc, and it never loads anything off the hdd's.

Here's a few links:
Damn Small Linux
Knoppix

If you can run .bat files, DSL has qemu that boots up a virtural pc so when your parents look you can just minimize it real fast.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cant download or run any .exe files, so a password cracker wouldnt help me, unless there is an online one
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what you can do is from a friend download an Linux Dist with vmware installed.
and make shore it is an Live CD.
then burn it on an CD.
Go home Put the CD in the CD Slot.
Run it.
Install what ever you want even windows or something then you can install everything on that dist.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OR you can just format the hard drive and reinstall windows entirely lol
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea running a livecd is proably the easiest way around it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Live CDs, I highly recommend Ubuntu. It's unbelievably easy for a Linux distro.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they disabled formatting drives for that reason, and i have a hp tablet pc, so it does not have a cd drive, only USB and SD.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cannot disable formatting a drive. You can still do it by using a floppy disk or by a cd.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i right click and click "format" it says "you do not have sufficint rights to perform this operation" i tried turning off the network when it says "applying your personal settings" afteri log on to get basic user rights. it works, and so i right clicked on my computer and clicked manage and added myself as an administrator, but i still need thee password to disable deep freeze or anti-executable, and i still cant format the drives or end task of AEmngr in the task manager. WHAT SHOULD I DO????




ps. i only have USB and SD drives, no CD or Floppy.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use a linux live cd, boot from it and format the drive with that. Then either install linux or reinstall windows giving yourself full admin rights.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cant use a live cd, becasue tablets (my laptop) doesnt have a cd rom drive or a floppy drive. Is there a live cd that i ca transfer to a thumb/flash drive or an SD card?
And where do i get what i need to do it?
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Yes there is one called DamnSmallLinux. Search on google for it and it should come right up. Its only 50mb and in comparison to the other Linux of 600-700mb distro's its very small. It features a fully usable desktop and you can even install it to a flash drive and use it as your own OS, leaving the main OS intact.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ill try it. Thanks a lot
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what do i do? the links come up with a windows explorer layout...di i just cick the dsl-n-01RC4.iso and install it? then how do i run it? ive never used linux
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skijunky322 wrote:
what do i do? the links come up with a windows explorer layout...di i just cick the dsl-n-01RC4.iso and install it? then how do i run it? ive never used linux


Youll have to do some of the work yourself. Read the documentation. Im sure there is some on the site. If not search google for an answer. Ive never installed it, ive only used it as a live disk type version, so I can't help you on that.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive been looking on google, and found the features and how to use them, but i dont even really know what linux is. can u tell me an overview, or how to find one? i checked google.
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If you don't know what it is you should forget about it. You need to have some knowledge to be able to use it. Its not for beginners.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know its an operating system alternative, but will it work aroound faronics, and let me install programs?
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skijunky322 wrote:
i know its an operating system alternative, but will it work aroound faronics, and let me install programs?


Yes because its independant. When you use it, it has nothing to do with the current OS or its programs. Remember linux will not run any windows programs.
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man u shuld get a usb cd-drive...ask ur parents for that for christmas. or if you can find a cheap enough one just get it and hide it.

btw, here's a quick and breif overview of what linux is.

Ok, a long time ago, there was UNIX. and, from unix today you get apple os x, linux, unix, and a few others but thats even more off topic.

now, all that I am talking about are kernals. this is the real brain or foundation of an os. its not truly useable at this point, but its the beginnings of frankenstine. then, you have a second developer go and write some more programs and dll's and the like, and slowly you end up with the rest of the guts of the os. then another developer (or sometimes the same one) will go and write some more programs, dll's and all kinds of stuff and come up with a user interface, wether graphical or not. and then, you get your diffrent flavors of linux, such as redhat, fedora (which these two are almost the exact same, but some slight diffrences), suse, dsl, ubuntu, gnoppix, knoppix, and so many more.

now, when a developer distributes the os, he puts everything in a *.iso file, or a cd image. it puts everything into one file so you don't have to worry about something being messed up in the download, and there are many other benifits. now, you just downloaded an iso. what can you do with it? you can do many things, from getting daemon tools and mounting it and making a virtural cd drive, or you can go get a program that burns iso files to cd. its not like using the windows burning tool, you have to get a program that says it burns iso's, otherwise its the same thing as what you have on your hard drive, which is almost useless by itself.

Then, it burns a pretty cd that has all the correct files in the correct directories, and you have yourself a neat cd that can install linux, or boot it from the cd, or both.

this isnt the full story but its the crash course in it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so is there any way to get, say iTunes with linux?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think iTunes is compatible with linux, but im not 100% sure. just because they share the same unix background, it doesn't mean everything is cross compatible.
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hmmm... this thread has really become way out of topic (for a web server forum).

i'm not intending to be rude, skijunky322, but hopefully there are other more sensible places you can ask for help for your iTunes troubles. we are just very fortunate here to have people like madman1337 and AbyssUnderground (and others) who gave a lot of time and effort to help you in your problem. anyways, good luck.
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loloyd, I agree with you when you say off topic but you don't speak for all of us.
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Hi Mr WiseOne. It's a good thing I was not speaking in your behalf nor was I speaking in anybody else's behalf. :-D
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oh ok lol you said we XD
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we = skijunky322 and i. sorry if i easily misled you, mrwiseone, but it appears to be happening all the time now. XD
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Um yes... That was not exactly funny... Also if someone misinterprets you, its your problem not theirs. Think about it..

EDIT: Next time, I'll make sure it's readable and before it happens I do not intend to take part in yet another flame war so lets just not continue on with this little sub-topic and stay focused on helping the person with the problem. :-)


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MrWiseOne wrote:
Umm yes... That was exactly funny... Also if some misinterpretts you, its your problem not theirs. Think about it..



Did anybody understand that rubbish? :-S
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what linux versions can i boot straight from my computer, and not from a live cd? and is there any way to bypass enough security to reboot in thawed mode? or do i need to hack the deepfreeze password?
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most of the linux distros can be installed such as fedora or ubuntu but to have windows and linux you will most likely have to make a few partitions on your harddrive and you still have to make a cd.
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