Shorthand maybe Back! [Updated: 5/24/2007]

 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Shorthand maybe Back! [Updated: 5/24/2007] Reply with quote

News Flash!
Shorthand maybe making its way back to Development. Until than, here's an easy to follow tutorial to install the older v1.2. Enjoy!

Shorthand for Windows [397 KB]
http://www.trustabyss.com/Shorthand.exe

Shorthand for Linux [332 KB]
http://www.trustabyss.com/shh_linux.zip

Note: The complete Documentation is included in these packages.

For Installation:
01. Download Shorthand from my website (Currently the only place to get it) and click the setup to install Shorthand. Install.

02. Open your Abyss Web Server console and click on the Host you wish to configure. Go to "Scripting Parameters" and click Add in the Interpreters table.

Copy the following settings like so.

Interface: CGI/ISAPI
Interpreter: C:\Shorthand\shorthand.exe

Type: Standard ('PHP Style' also works)

Now click Add for the "Associated Extensions" and type "shh" without the quotes. Click OK. Go to "Index Files" and click Add; type "index.shh" without the quotes and click OK. Restart Abyss Web Server.

03. Put the following code in a file called "hello.shh" and run it from your web server's address. Simple!

Code:
<~
print "Hello World!";
~>


Here's a neat script converted to Shorthand that Calculates the Total seconds to ban someone using Abyss's Anti-Hacking.

Download AbyssBanCalc
http://www.trustabyss.com/scripts/downloads/archive/shh_bancalc.zip

Kind regards, Josh


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Shorthand maybe Back! Reply with quote

TRUSTpunk,

We have the source code of ShortHand version 1.2b2 (shh120b2src.zip). Is this the latest version?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes , v1.2 is the latest. Also if you join the Yahoo Group , you will see that the
developers are still working on the project but they need a new website , as far
as im concerned , version 3 is in the process as we speak. LateR!

Shorthand Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shorthandproject/

Sincerely , TRUSTpunk
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRUSTpunk,

It is curious that they have not applied for free web space in SourceForge.net as most open-source project!
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TRUSTpunk,

It is curious that they have not applied for free web space in SourceForge.net as most open-source project!


According to posts in their yahoo group, it seems some real-life priorities have risen to take up the developer's time.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taellik wrote:
According to posts in their yahoo group, it seems some real-life priorities have risen to take up the developer's time.

It's a pity that no one else from the Yahoo crowd is considering continuing the project. It seems that only one guy there have problems, the others could do something.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologize for the late response to all of this.
Had no idea this forum existed.

Does anyone still have the Shorthand 1.2 source code?

I'm trying to track down everything, but have only had limited success. I've got the binaries for the 1.2 stuff, a binary copy of the 1.3 beta that was never finished, and the documentation.

I'm reposting some of the Shorthand stuff on my site today. Lost it all between the law suit, the job, and the divorce, unfortunately. But we're making progress in getting it back.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I ask what shorthand is and how it can be used?

Edit: I got it working. Is there a manual on the programming syntax and stuff?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure,
It's a language like php or asp classic. Pretty straight forward. Used for making web pages talk to databases generally, but we were working on other things like more file system features and a module system before it went down. FS was still buggy at the last release, just to warn you.

Oh, the manual is back up.
Can be found here: http://sammoshe.com/media/txt/shorthand/
Almost the same as the original, minus some formatting changes and a nav.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. It appears to be a little easier than PHP.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the kind words. It's a great little language.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorthandSam wrote:
Does anyone still have the Shorthand 1.2 source code?


It's good to hear from you after that very long silence. We may still have a SH 1.2 source code package in our "Downloads" archive. We'll check it and send it to you if found.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very interested in this language, I hope development continues.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello shorthandSam,

I will look on web.archive.org and see what I can find. The AbyssBanCalc Shorthand script is back online. You should signup with SourceForge.net and get "shorthand.sourceforge.net" as your website, or simply host it yourself with Abyss Web Server . We have a strong community here and it's a pleasure to be able to bring the Shorthand language back.

Kind regards, Josh
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Abyss, actually.
Actually set up a shorthand project on sourceforge, but didn't get around to uploading it. If I can manage to get a hold of the 1.2 source or a variant, I'll make sure to post it there as my first order of business.

It's been awhile since I tried Abyss though. Is there still a Linux oriented version? My dedicated box here at home runs Debian 4.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah,

You can download the Linux X1 version from: http://www.aprelium.com/abyssws/download.php
They also have a Professional version of Abyss Web Server now.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorthandSam wrote:
I like Abyss, actually.


Thanks a lot.

Quote:
Actually set up a shorthand project on sourceforge, but didn't get around to uploading it. If I can manage to get a hold of the 1.2 source or a variant, I'll make sure to post it there as my first order of business.


Your wish has been granted: we managed to find 1.2Beta2 source code, binary release, and the CHM help file in our Downloads archive: http://www.aprelium.com/data/shorthand .
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are absolutely awesome!
I'm going to put a note in the sf project about how much you guys have helped out. I can't thank the lot of you enough.

I'm on the way to having a new 1.2 compatible binary release for windows. Reverse scripted the cgi implementation, and it's seems pretty functional so far, but I haven't tested it yet. Based on the method, it's probably going to be faster than the original as well because of some of the new compiler side optimization that's happening.

Other thing that needs to happen is a new license that puts this stuff as close to the public domain as possible. The original GPL was good, but not open enough, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad that this project is back to life. I will be more than happy to help you test these builds.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.
Yeah, any help would be great. I'll put the whole thing together this weekend, and re-release 1.2 on sourceforge for the time being. At some point, I'll put up a new web site for it. Didn't mean to lose the domain on the first one. I thought I had it paid up through 08, but I was apparently mistaken.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it safe to say that Shorthand is back in Development? Maybe you could post the news on slashdot.org. Also, is it possible to get a FastCGI version?
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's safe to say (thanks to the kindness and patience Abyss community) that I'm preparing the project for active development again, and that there will be a new Shorthand release in the near future. Additionally, I need to include the install instructions for Abyss in the documentation.

One of the things I need to figure out is how to make it more community driven, and less single sided like it was last time. The development model last time around was terrible, and totally depended on me. I briefly had backing for it, but didn't think through how the model should have worked. We saw what happened there. Sourceforge is a good start. At least that way, the option for additional developers to contribute is there (the relicensing will be a lot more liberal), and if my ability to host the project changes, it won't go offline.

Given my experience on this project with Newsforge and Freshmeat (the more moderate of the three), I have no plans to announce it on Slashdot. I have no issue with anyone else doing it, but I'm just not up for the stream abuse that will invariably come to the person that announces it.

Honestly, I don't know if they would even pick it up if it weren't associated with something bigger and more well known. They didn't pick it up last time. Although last time I tried, I was the only person on earth who knew about it.

FastCGI and .NET/Mono (shh#?) should be on my list.
Is there a difference in implementation or API between FASTCGI and standard CGI?
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorthandSam,

You're wlecome. Please keep us updated about the development progress.

shorthandSam wrote:
FastCGI and .NET/Mono (shh#?) should be on my list.
Is there a difference in implementation or API between FASTCGI and standard CGI?


We suggest reading http://www.aprelium.com/abyssws/faq.html#A2-5 . Details and API of FastCGI is available in http://www.fastcgi.com/ . You can use FastCGI debugging options available in Abyss Web Server to understand the internals of the protocol (Console > Hosts - Configure > Scripting Parameters > FastCGI Parameters).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on.
Doesn't look like it would require a big change.

Also, I'm in the planning stages of a compatible re-implementation. Something expandable and configurable, that would have more tools to work with.

I know we touched on some of this back in the yahoo group, but can you guys think of anything you would like to see in a the next major release version of shh?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does shorthand have the ability to execute programs and commands in a terminal? Kind of like PHP. If not, that'd be useful.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep,
It's not documented very well, but it's possible.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, is shorthand dead again? Has anyone heard from Sam?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope.
I'm still around.
I've posted some docs, and preparing a web server. I've just been busy with freelance projects. I apologize.

Actually had a really interesting conversation via pm with someone from aprelium about some of my ideas, and they were encouraging. Very nice guys.

I hope to have some more time to devote to this again in the near future.

Thanks :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought maybe it was dead, especially since your website isn't online.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fair.
I've had real trouble keeping apache online. It just keeps crashing, and I'm not even sure when or why it's doing it. It's a flat debian install. It should be good for years!

Need to switch to abyss. Hopefully I'll have better luck with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello shorthandSam,

If you would like some assistance with Abyss Web Server, my MSN is below. ;-)

msn@trustabyss.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be great. Apache 2 is a mess.
I'm going to be changing it over this weekend when I have some more time.
Really sorry for being so quiet lately.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shorthandSam wrote:
That's fair.
I've had real trouble keeping apache online. It just keeps crashing, and I'm not even sure when or why it's doing it. It's a flat debian install. It should be good for years!


This site is hosted on a vanilla Debian 4.0 with Abyss Web Server/PHP/MySQL. It only took a few minutes to setup the whole system and have it start serving our pages.
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