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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Another "not-reachable" problem... Reply with quote

Hi,

I've worked with abyss quite a time and it always worked. I don't know if it's related to my new router (Netgear WPN824, the old one was a Surecom EP-4904AX), because I didnt use abyss while the exchange happend, but since I reinstalled it, nobody outside my private network can access the server. From inside the network, I can reach it both over the IP or the dyndns domain I previously set up. It's weird, because if I watch the hit counter in the console, and tell a friend he should try accessing the server, I see that the counter notices the connection. Also, if I tell the buddy to open a password protected page, he gets the username/password dialog, so I dont see a reason, why it isn't possible for someone outside the network to actually load the side. I dont really think it's a router related problem because the port forwarding works for other applications, and everything is fine there...

Any help?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the exact error message you get? It will help us to solve your problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For your own diagnostics, you can try accessing your site as the outside world sees it.

Go to http://proxify.com and enter your URL.
You could also use http://natrus.cetric.com/proxy/. It doesn't have ads.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://natrus.cetric.com/proxy/ told me first something like "redirectin failed" and now I try again, but it doesn't even load.

I get no error, because I can access the server through the LAN. From outside noone gets errors eighter, the browser just loads forever without moving. That is after the password request dialog, or instantly if the url isn't password protected. So it seems like the actual data can't be sent, but the password request can.

I tested the side also from here: http://www.netmonitor.org/tools/test.php?type=www It tells me "Port $myport is open and accepting connections"
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check whether your new router has something along the lines of a "Remote management interface" which runs on port 80. You'll need to disable it before normal port forwarding on that port will work...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My router runs remote management on port 8080, and abyss is configured on a completely different five digit port 1xx71.

Btw I tried both normal port forwarding whith upnp disabled, but also upnp forwarding with standard disabled and a mixture of both, but it didn't affect the problem.

And also in the upnp portmap table on my router, abyss isn't listed, while other app, e.g. Azureus, are.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Netgear/WPN824/HTTP.htm and it will give you a guide on how to set it up for HTTP/Webserver. That might help solve your problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've allready done all this. If got my static IP configured, and I tried both standart and upnp forwarding. As I said it seems like the server is reachable for password requests, but not for file transfer. I think it's an abyss problem and not related to the router. Maybe abyss is unable to make upnp requests on the router, or something else is wrong.

I also don't use a firewall. As I said: Port forwarding works for other services, static IP is given, password requests and transmissions are made, but afterwards the page transfer can't be made.

Btw I also reinstalled abyss' newest version... I'm using X1
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can easily test if the router is your problem.

Just take it out of the equation. Hook the server computer up to your broadband modem. Set Abyss to accept connections on port 80, and access yourself by your IP address.

If this works, the router config is the problem.

2 Quick Questions:
1. What operating system are you on?
2. Is your IP address set manually or automatically?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure the password request prompt is coming from Abyss and not from the router? If you (or your tester deliberately fails the password request, does the error specifically show error 403 from Abyss web server? Is anything showing up at all in your access.log file?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. I'm on XP SP1
2. My ISP gives me an IP dynamically, but as I quite never reconnect to it, I've got the same IP over moths. Locally, my Server is configured to have a static private IP. I'm using the router as dhcp, but the server gets always the same IP.

Yeah, access.log lists the trials of my buddy, and as I said, the counter in the abyss console counts the hits. And yes, I think the password request is coming from the abyss server, because 1. on port 1xx71 there's only it, 2. if filled out correctly it disappears, and no other app. uses the same username/password, 3. the hit is registered by abyss.

As I said, no error is displayed, if the server is accessed from outside. The page just loads forever.

Honestly I'm too lazy to try the server directly on the modem now, but I'll try it later...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm reading your first post correctly, the problem started when you reinstalled Abyss. Maybe a file is corrupted that involves the server.
To perform a complete reinstall, uninstall Abyss (save your abyss.conf file just for backup) and reinstall it in a new location on your HD (like C:\Abyss).

Maybe you could list your site (IP address or your dyndns site) so we could check the HTTP headers.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reinstalled Abyss in another folder. After I copied the old abyss.conf in there the server didn't start anymore and had a cuple of problems, so I started a new .conf and now everythings fine on this side again.

<links removed>

btw if my buddy tries to access the console on port 13372, the forbidden message is shown...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TB2 wrote:
http://x.x.x:13371/ is the server,

btw if my buddy tries to access the console on port 13372, the forbidden message is shown...


All works fine now. If you have started from scratch with a new conf file, you'll need to add your friend's IP to the allow list for console access.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf? I don't believe it...

Anyway, I'll see how long it works...

edit:

Allright, as you've tested the server, I had some different content on it, only those two dummy folders, and nothing else. I now put the old stuff on it, and now it doesn't work again! Seems like this problem is content related??

try:
http://shape.mine.nu:13371/Picts/
or
http://shape.mine.nu:13371/test/
for a pw protected folder... (test/test)

ah btw, after this is finished, could you please remove the link in your quote? thx... ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[BLABLABLA]

Ok,

now I think we're getting close to the problem:

"test" is a new folder I just created. All the other content comes from an archive I made as I reinstalled Windows. Now all the folders from the archive can't be opened. Also, it seems like they're all write protected.

Now I _can't_ remove the write protection! How's that happening? Wrong owner rights, just cos it's from the old Windows installation?? The field left to "Write protected" is filled with a box, not a hook. And this it driving me nuts, in fact every f*ing folder on all harddiscs has got this box filled o.Ô... That wasn't so before... edit: Ok well, seems to be normal, but what stupid feature is this. I can't even put the hook there, XP removes it right afterwards and puts the box back there... -.-

But this seems not to be the problem after all, because even the "test" folder gets it's box filled... It's just newer then the other stuff from the archive...

[/BLABLABLA]


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, now another theory, quite tested:

- If a folder contains .jpg files, it doesn't work.
- If a folder contains anything else, than .jpg, it works.
- If a subfolder of a folder contains .jpg files, it doesn't work

Now how weird is this??

edit: changing the file suffix didn't change anything. But obviously an empty file like the dummy asdf.asdf can be loaded, also an .mp3 file. If the content is .jpg the folder wont be loaded.

http://shape.mine.nu:13371/Multimedia/ e.g. seems to work...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have the NTFS file system? It can protect access and encrypt, I believe. It seems that your files are read-protected.
I can't download the file in your multimedia folder. The server gives me the appropriate HTTP headers to download, but I can't get to the window that lets me save the file. Sounds like Windows won't let the server have access to the file to send it via the web.

P.S. I don't like NTFS. I had to tinker a long time in order to format my 160 GB as FAT32. In this case, older is better. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's from Microsoft about NTFS:

Quote:
NTFS provides a number of welcome improvements, including access controls that let you specify which users can access which files. NTFS Access Control Lists (ACLs) grant or deny specific users and groups the permissions on files and folders that you want them to have. Individual users can be granted Read, Write, Change or Full Control to a given file or folder containing files.

From: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/community/columns/security/5min/5min-205.mspx?mfr=true

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Are you logged in XP with administrator priviledges on the server computer?
Also, could you provide a screenshot of the file system (with the icons you described above)? If you can't put it on a server, email me and I'll host your screenshot.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, well how do I disable this? If I remove the box, it is reinstated after I close the properties dialog...

I think something is quite wrong with these partitions anyway. On my programs partition theres a folder called "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..." and I didn't put it there. It's been there since my last Windows Installation. But I think it was first called something like "BASV32B258ACFBNF0924FSD35...". In there is a folder called "i386" and both of them can't be deleted with the message "Acces denied". Also, I can't open the "i386" folder with the same error message. The "ZZZ..." folder contains 0 bits. I'm just running checkdisk but I don't think it will work...

edit: Yes, I'm logged as an administrator. (But maybe not as "the one", that created this partition, because I created it while in my last Windows Installation. I didn't format the partition, because there was a lot of important stuff on it. And I thing this "ZZZ..." folder is there, since I isntalled SP2 on my last Windows. Now I use SP1, because I didn't like SP2 anyway..."

I'll mail you the image soon, thx for serving...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like the easiest solution is to do a complete overhaul. Archive the important files that you have access to.
Reformat your drive or use your recovery disk to get a fresh system.

Do you have multiple users on this XP system?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see you sent me the screenshot. The jpg is messed up. That's my mailserver's fault.

Please email the jpg to <<email address removed for anti-spam purposes>> and I'll post it for you.

Sorry.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I'm the only user, although I'm always logged in as an user with administrator rights, and not the Administrator account. I'll just try logging in with that account... (Why didn't I think of that sooner...)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an idea for you.

Here's a program that will let you have read-only access an NTFS disk from Win98. This is not normally possible.
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Limitations
Because the Windows 95/98 environment is different than that of Windows NT/2000/XP, the level of NTFS support that NTFS for Windows 98 provides is not equivalent to that provided on Windows NT/2000/XP. For example, NTFS for Windows 98 does not enforce the Windows NT/2000 security model. All files and directories are accessible, regardless of their security permissions settings. In addition, NTFS for Windows 98 is not compatible with Windows 2000's Encrypting file System (EFS). Any files encrypted using EFS will not be accessible under Windows 98 using NTFS for Windows 98.

URL: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsWindows98.html
I'm thinking you could get your important data off this way and then do a reformat.

If you don't have Win98 available, but DO have DOS available, do some reading here: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/NtfsDos.html.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I logged in as "Administrator" instead of my normal user account (that has admin rights) and emptied the boxes. Now it may work, hadn't chance to let it test, cos my buddy's offline. I don't get it, why XP always reset the boxes that I had changed! Why doesn't have my user account the same rights as the Administrator?

If you're around here, could you give http://shape.mine.nu:13371/Multimedia/ another try?

Thx again...

(Btw. to get data of my HD I'd need a 700GB floppy ;) If I reinstall Windows, I just format the system partition, and leave the rest alone...)

edit:

And I DONT BELIEVE IT!!! I just made the abyss folder viewable over LAN, and then turned it back to local access only, and now ALL the hooks are back that I had removed as Administrator...

What is this?!? Am I not Admin anymore on my Computer? I need to switch to linux... -.-''


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same problem as before.

Here are the headers:
(My browser headers)
GET /Multimedia/www.einzeller.tk.mp3 HTTP/1.1
Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */*
Referer: http://shape.mine.nu:13371/Multimedia/
Accept-Language: en-us
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
Host: shape.mine.nu:13371
Connection: Keep-Alive
(Your server headers)
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Type: audio/mpeg
Content-Length: 2158612
Last-Modified: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:43:25 GMT
Connection: Keep-Alive
Keep-Alive: timeout=30000, max=15
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:51:28 GMT
Server: Abyss/2.3.2-X1-Win32 AbyssLib/2.3.2

The download dialog box comes up and stalls. It says "Getting File Information". This is really strange.
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Can you create a new directory that's not write-protected? If so, exit Abyss, and try copying your files from the Abyss dir to the new one that's not write-protected. Then open Abyssws.exe from the new dir.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this filled box showed in that properties dialog means "read-protected" or "write-protected", then I can't. Every folder I create has got that box filled. But actually the folders aren't really write-protected. Maybe a hook means "write-prtected", and a box means "read-protected". Anyway both of those can't really be, because I myself can do with the files, what I want.

I also don't get it, why the multimeida folder is shown, while another folder with images in it isn't...

This is frustrating. I reinstalled Windows just about 4 month ago, and though I'm used to a 10 month life time of a regular windows installation, 4 month is quite short...

I'll just try another web server, to look if it works...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now it's getting worse:

I isntalled apache. Now every folder can be browsed there from outside, but not even I myself can acces ("download") a file...

Well, 2 out of around 15 files actually load in apache. They are two images I received as scans some time ago.

All this stuff seems soo random to me... :|
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could just be your ISP stopping the data. It might not actually be a network problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just pulled of all data from D:\ and formated it with partitioner magic. Before that I tested my drive with "hutil" from samsung, and it found 2 errors. Anyway the formatting didn't help the server. At least that dumb "ZZZ..." folder is gone...

I don't think it's the ISP. Why should it be blocking the data? I allready had that server running for a long time.

Could it be that there's some sort of problem with the windows networking stuff? Like that gateway, that showed up the moment I installed the new router? Why isn't abyss listed in the upnp portmap, although it seems like ports are correctly redirected to the servers IP? and so on...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I don't think it's the ISP. Why should it be blocking the data? I allready had that server running for a long time.


Exactly why they might start to block it. Its been known to happen. Servers can affect their network, and it might have got to such a level where they got sick of it and started blocking the data.

Did you try the old router again to see if it works with that?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone else had this problem? Small re-introduction to this thread:

I've still got the problem, that users from outside can access the file structure of my abyss powered server, but _not_ download and view any of the "more complex" files, e.g. images or multimedia content.

Update:
It's now sure, that there's not a problem with my ISP. They are not blocking my data. I installed abyss on a Vista beta I've got on the same computer, and there are no problems with the server. It has to be an XP problem!

Still, I don't know if it's normal, that all the folders on the PC are marked with a rectangle as "write protected" in the folder properties. I asked a friend of mine, and he also has all the files apparently "write protected". I have no idea what to do. I need that server running. Maybe some windows services have to be turned on or something. And maybe some UPnP stuff is messing things up. Btw a common problem is, that because of the buggy UPnP services of XP, some tray items won't show up on system startup.

Anyway. Doesn't anyone else have this problem and maybe a solution?

thx,
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a very weird problem you're having. I have run Abyss on Win98 and XP and have never had a problem like this (or really any problem!).

Here's a recommendation. Install this two-program set.



Theory: If another web server works while Abyss doesn't, the problem is with Abyss. If this web server doesn't work either, either your OS or hardware is the culprit.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TB2,

Do you have your image files set as a PHP extension? Can you put more file
types in the folder so that we may test them? Have you recently played around
with the new "Custom HTTP Headers" feature, maybe that's it?

I'm always the Go-to guy for problems like these. Add me to your Windows
/MSN Messenger and I will see what I can do. My MSN: msn@trustabyss.com

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