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Tom Chapman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Oh my. Reply with quote
http://www.dropthefox.tk/

I'm not sure if I should take any sides :S
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Oh my. Reply with quote
MrWiseOne,

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html is a better manifesto against FireFox.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wooh nice! where did you find this site? Spare time? ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Any site that attempts to claim it's pages are protected under the DMCA loses any credibility I may have given it before I even begin reading...

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Legal Notice - Reproduction of this page in whole or in part is strictly forbidden. This guide and ALL versions thereof are protected by copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
MrWiseOne wrote:
http://www.dropthefox.tk/

I'm not sure if I should take any sides :S

I do take sides and I'd rather have Firefox (or Opera) over IE.
In a recent article at PCWorld.com, there are 91 vulnerabilities in IE and 26 in Firefox.
That's according to their research on www.sans.org and www.secunia.com security sites.

Src - http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124510,pg,4,00.asp
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Moxxnixx,

Who knows who to trust exactly? o.0
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, MrWiseOne, I'd rather trust a respected security site than a half-wit homepage
made by some Firefox-haters. No browser is 100% safe and if you want to be on the
internet, you have to make a choice...and I'd rather choose for the lesser of the "evils".
It's either that or stay off the internet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I personally use maxthon I found it to be my favorite, because of all the plugins, that fact that it is tabbed, and skinable, I was never fond of netscape or mozilla.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am a user of Opera. Currently having the stable 8.5 on my pc, and the prev1 and 2 of version 9. Also have firefox and IE.

I use them for testing my website. And using Opera the surf on the web.. Opera is great and works perfect. I use it since version 7.5, and I prefer it above Firefox. Because firefox is just to damn slow, to little functions, and more...

BTW. The new widgets and bittorent plugin of the prev2 of v9 are awsome!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like the new content blocker, it means I can now get rid of the huge forum sigs.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
olly86 wrote:
I like the new content blocker, it means I can now get rid of the huge forum sigs.


Yet you use a huge forum sig yourself...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Inquisitor wrote:
olly86 wrote:
I like the new content blocker, it means I can now get rid of the huge forum sigs.


Yet you use a huge forum sig yourself...


Not as large as yours ;-)

I'm using FF atm since it's too time demanding =P to install another browser but I do prefer IE.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Inquisitor wrote:
olly86 wrote:
I like the new content blocker, it means I can now get rid of the huge forum sigs.


Yet you use a huge forum sig yourself...


But your's is 10KB's bigger than mine in size, and 60KB's taller. Plus it provides me with lots of useless information I don't need/care about. It doesn't even get my IP address right!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anonymoose wrote:
Any site that attempts to claim it's pages are protected under the DMCA loses any credibility I may have given it before I even begin reading...

Their credibility is questionable but many of the points raised there are true.

FireFox isn't the best browser out there (just as Linux isn't the best operating system ever made). It has simply been backed by medias and open source zealots. Add to that IE security fears and you get a massive switch and millions of downloads. Opera, which has not the same propaganda machine, is much more technically advanced and standards compliant. Safari (which is restricted to Mac platforms only) is also better than FireFox in its realm.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
aprelium wrote:
Anonymoose wrote:
Any site that attempts to claim it's pages are protected under the DMCA loses any credibility I may have given it before I even begin reading...

Their credibility is questionable but many of the points raised there are true.

FireFox isn't the best browser out there (just as Linux isn't the best operating system ever made). It has simply been backed by medias and open source zealots. Add to that IE security fears and you get a massive switch and millions of downloads. Opera, which has not the same propaganda machine, is much more technically advanced and standards compliant. Safari (which is restricted to Mac platforms only) is also better than FireFox in its realm.


Very well said. Or in this case typed. ;-P
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Who cares about what they think anyway? They don't even know that Firefox sould be spelled as Firefox, and not FireFox.

But, of course, there are good alternatives. I'm not an Opera-fan, but I really like Konqueror. Konqueror dosn't work on Windows though...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
cmxflash wrote:
Who cares about what they think anyway? They don't even know that Firefox sould be spelled as Firefox, and not FireFox.

But, of course, there are good alternatives. I'm not an Opera-fan, but I really like Konqueror. Konqueror dosn't work on Windows though...


And who is to choose what it is called? Apart of cause from Mozilla..
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
MrWiseOne wrote:
cmxflash wrote:
Who cares about what they think anyway? They don't even know that Firefox sould be spelled as Firefox, and not FireFox.

But, of course, there are good alternatives. I'm not an Opera-fan, but I really like Konqueror. Konqueror dosn't work on Windows though...


And who is to choose what it is called? Apart of cause from Mozilla..

What the hell does that mean... :?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
p3 wrote:
MrWiseOne wrote:
cmxflash wrote:
Who cares about what they think anyway? They don't even know that Firefox sould be spelled as Firefox, and not FireFox.

But, of course, there are good alternatives. I'm not an Opera-fan, but I really like Konqueror. Konqueror dosn't work on Windows though...


And who is to choose what it is called? Apart of cause from Mozilla..

What the hell does that mean... :?


What do you you not understand?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I knew something was fishy about Firefox. I found a new browser.

http://www.avantbrowser.com/ :-)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
MrWiseOne wrote:
p3 wrote:
MrWiseOne wrote:
cmxflash wrote:
Who cares about what they think anyway? They don't even know that Firefox sould be spelled as Firefox, and not FireFox.

But, of course, there are good alternatives. I'm not an Opera-fan, but I really like Konqueror. Konqueror dosn't work on Windows though...


And who is to choose what it is called? Apart of cause from Mozilla..

What the hell does that mean... :?


What do you you not understand?


Its not what we dont understand, its what you dont understand; ENGLISH.


Seems Linux is not as good as we all thought:

Quote:
Vulnerabilities

Myth - "Windows has more Security Vulnerabilities than Linux/Unix"

Reality - "Between January 2005 and December 2005 there were 5198 reported vulnerabilities: 812 Windows operating system vulnerabilities; 2328 Unix/Linux operating vulnerabilities; and 2058 Multiple operating system vulnerabilities"



Im glad Im sticking to windows :-)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Inquisitor wrote:
MrWiseOne wrote:
p3 wrote:
MrWiseOne wrote:
cmxflash wrote:
Who cares about what they think anyway? They don't even know that Firefox sould be spelled as Firefox, and not FireFox.

But, of course, there are good alternatives. I'm not an Opera-fan, but I really like Konqueror. Konqueror dosn't work on Windows though...


And who is to choose what it is called? Apart of cause from Mozilla..

What the hell does that mean... :?


What do you you not understand?


Its not what we dont understand, its what you dont understand; ENGLISH.


Seems Linux is not as good as we all thought:

Quote:
Vulnerabilities

Myth - "Windows has more Security Vulnerabilities than Linux/Unix"

Reality - "Between January 2005 and December 2005 there were 5198 reported vulnerabilities: 812 Windows operating system vulnerabilities; 2328 Unix/Linux operating vulnerabilities; and 2058 Multiple operating system vulnerabilities"



Im glad Im sticking to windows :-)



It was about 1 am...

Windows Buddies! lol :)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Inquisitor wrote:

Myth - "Windows has more Security Vulnerabilities than Linux/Unix"


Another MS funded Linux vs Windows study eh?

If you're going to use quotes, sources would be useful.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anonymoose wrote:
The Inquisitor wrote:

Myth - "Windows has more Security Vulnerabilities than Linux/Unix"


Another MS funded Linux vs Windows study eh?

If you're going to use quotes, sources would be useful.



The quote was from apreliums link.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Inquisitor wrote:
Seems Linux is not as good as we all thought:

Quote:
Vulnerabilities

Myth - "Windows has more Security Vulnerabilities than Linux/Unix"

Reality - "Between January 2005 and December 2005 there were 5198 reported vulnerabilities: 812 Windows operating system vulnerabilities; 2328 Unix/Linux operating vulnerabilities; and 2058 Multiple operating system vulnerabilities"


Im glad Im sticking to windows :-)


The comparison is flawed. The 2328 Unix/Linux operating vulnerabilities are counting vulnerabilities found in Linux kernel and those found in open source software which is not part of the kernel but which is usually bundled with it in the so called "Linux distributions".

When we said above that "Linux isn't the best operating system ever made", we were referring to other alternatives which have not profited from the media buzz (as Linux did), namely:

* FreeBSD which has a better internal design in comparison with Linux (and is years ahead of it when it comes to networking speed for example). FreeBSD is powering Yahoo since its debut in 1995 and is used by several heavy traffic sites and systems ( http://www.freebsdsystems.com/chronical-report.php ). FreeBSD was also used by Hotmail (Microsoft took years to migrate it to Windows after buying the free mail service).

* OpenBSD which is the only operating system claiming "Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 8 years!" http://www.openbsd.org/ .

* Darwin (the core operating system inside MacOS X) which is based on an advanced micro-kernel architecture (resulting of years of research done in the 80s and the 90s - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_kernel ) while Linux is using the ol' good architecture of the first UNIX system designed in the early 70s. It's interesting to read that someone expressed the same criticism about Linux back in 1992 when its most up-to-date version was 0.12 (!!): http://www.educ.umu.se/~bjorn/mhonarc-files/obsolete/msg00000.html . The criticism is by Andy Tanenbaum whose book about operating systems design inspired and taught Linus Thorvalds and most of Linux hackers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tanenbaum . In Darwin, a driver cannot take down the whole system as it is run as a normal application monitored by the kernel. In Linux, drivers run in the kernel space and can do what they want (including executing bad code and crashing your computer - By the way, the same problem affects most other open source UNIX flavors).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Too bad FreeBSD rules all
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
cchase88 wrote:
Too bad FreeBSD rules all

So, is that why you use Windows???
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