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 Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:08 pm Post subject: Release date for pro version? |
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| I was just wondering Aprelium if you have a release date for the Abyss Pro, because I'm have a hosting web site and I really need virtual hosting, and I do not want to resort to any other web server + I would sleep much better if I know how long I have to wait. Thanks. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I would also like to know a release date , most users who used to host their websites on Abyss
Web Server , now moved to Apache because of the lack of the virtual hosts feature , Im about to
move to another server again if I don't get that virtual hosts feature soon , I have at least five
websites that need the virtual hosting feature. Here's some of the example use below.
01. I can better keep up with the visitors on each of my
websites & know how much bandwidth was used up.
02. I can have multiple logs for each of my websites so that
no more log splitting is required , I really would like that.
03. I can give my friends their own website path instead of
an aliased directory , I really want this feature so badly :(
Note: Aprelium I know you are busy with the console and all the other new
features but most of us would agree to this , its an important feature !!!
Together we can make this web server the best easy to use web server in
the entire world , I have looked all over the internet for servers like Abyss
and nothing comes close to what Abyss Web Server has to offer. LateR! :) |
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Stone-D
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| TRUSTpunk wrote: | | I would also like to know a release date |
The best we can expect is when the next beta will be released. At the least, some kind of progress report, with a decent changelog. I'm not so whooped on the idea that a changelog can be too complicated for us plebs. :P Any old plaintext job will suffice, doesn't have to be pretty.
| Quote: | | most users who used to host their websites on Abyss Web Server , now moved to Apache because of the lack of the virtual hosts feature , Im about to move to another server again if I don't get that virtual hosts feature soon , I have at least five websites that need the virtual hosting feature. Here's some of the example use below. |
I find this to be a bit of an empty threat (that's what it is, btw, a threat). Apache has been around for over a decade. Why didn't you go apache in the first place? Ahh, too complicated and a tad obese. What's changed?
| Quote: | 01. I can better keep up with the visitors on each of my
websites & know how much bandwidth was used up.
02. I can have multiple logs for each of my websites so that
no more log splitting is required , I really would like that. |
Do what I do. Embed a logger in your scripts. It isn't difficult to get the same format, especially once Aprelium fixes some of the environment variable bugs, such as server_protocol. In fact, you'll find it to be more versatile and more useful. You can log whatever the hell you want. Eg., I have a general access log for each site, plus one for attempts by banned userids, plus one for attempts to hack the site.
In fact, I rarely refer to the main abyss logs at all anymore.
| Quote: | 03. I can give my friends their own website path instead of
an aliased directory , I really want this feature so badly :( |
This you can already do with a bit of scripting. At the moment, you need to use an actual refresh-redirect page until Aprelium fixes that flaw in the next beta.
Note: Aprelium I know you are busy with the console and all the other new
features but most of us would agree to this , its an important feature.
| Quote: | I have looked all over the internet for servers like Abyss
and nothing comes close to what Abyss Web Server has to offer. |
Apache? ;)
Me, I'd rather Aprelium ignored all the pleas and worked to make decent code, rather than rush bits here and there thinking "Oh, doubt that'll go wrong, won't bother checking it again." in order to put forward a release date.
That's why most games nowadays suck and need to be patched at RTM.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Apache sucks , you are right , thats exactly why I hate it because its hard to
use and when I say that I looked all over the net , im talking about a server
that has a GUI and not no lame *** config file , don't you think its better to
have a GUI than to worry about text files , I hate all of your suggestions.
P.S. Im not threatning to move to another server , I just want to
better view my log files for each of my websites , how in the hell do
you expect me to find out how many users visited each of my sites.
I can't because all of my websites are put into one access.log
file and its hard for me to find out the real amout of visitors.
Also I stick with Abyss Web Server because I like the ease of use of it
and that its free and I just don't have the time to play with text files. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't forget I knocked together that logfile splitter for breaking up your logs when you have each site hosted under a specific directory. You're welcome to improve / adjust it however you want to make it more friendly for general Abyss use... |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Anonymoose , I do appreciate your log splitter but its better to have your
own log for each website using the suggestion I added to this topic. Later!
I just believe that if they added this feature , fewer people will stop
switching to other web servers , adding this is a break through !!!!
Edit: Also I believe that Abyss Web Server will be 100%
voted on download.com than just the average 90% votes. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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why pay for opensource software ? abyss should stay gpl (keep adding features when you can....bugger selling abyss ---i would go elsewhere ...just to support the opensource movement stuff paying shitloads a dough on bloatware (having free software is one thing ...having paid bloatware is another ...hey aprelium keep it real and the support will be there !)
lordgoose out!
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Stone-D
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| TRUSTpunk wrote: | Apache sucks... don't you think its better to
have a GUI than to worry about text files... |
Apache doesn't suck, as I'm sure the extreme large majority of all webhosts/designers/sysadmins/service providers will testify.
One reason it doesn't suck is that it is designed for performance. Not having a GUI - in most cases - counts towards this. GUIs eat resources, and with a program like Apache, the GUI required to handle all the myriads of variables available would be monstrous.
As for abyss, its GUI is pretty minimal. Most configuring is done via a web interface, which, btw, is also available for apache unless I'm mistaken.
| Quote: | | I just don't have the time to play with text files. |
But you've got the time to post here and make PHP scripts, right?
| Quote: | | TRUSTpunk wrote: | (From earlier post)P.S. Im not threatning to move to another server , I just want to
better view my log files for each of my websites , how in the hell do
you expect me to find out how many users visited each of my sites.
I can't because all of my websites are put into one access.log
file and its hard for me to find out the real amout of visitors. |
its better to have your own log for each website |
Make them yourself. I did - in fact, I don't have abyss logging anything anymore. Its all done in my scripts. For each site, I have :
access.log - all accesses
banned.log - access attempts by banned user-agents
breach.log - hacking attempts
| Quote: | I just believe that if they added this feature , fewer people will stop
switching to other web servers , adding this is a break through !!!! |
Um, no. Abyss' current logging method using a single access.log in that format is compatible with most weblog utilities. If a webmaster wishes tailored logging, its up to him/her to either split it or make their own logging solution, depending on their needs.
Although I suspect they're doing this anyway, having aprelium implement separate logs for each virtual host would be of only minimal benefit and would take away time from developing more critical/useful features.
Bear in mind that you're not supposed to be sat at a server 24/7 eyeballing raw logfiles and statistical screens. Administration should be done remotely. Remember that the large majority of webservers that aren't in third world countries are on dedicated machines - they don't do anything else and usually don't even have a monitor.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| goose wrote: | | why pay for opensource software ? abyss should stay gpl |
Errr... when did abyss go open source? No one told me.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Abyss use to be a Open Source project but now its not , also you have your
own opinions about Apache Web Server and I have mine , I just don't see why
people would waste their time configuring a server with long lines of text. I
spent alot of my time on PHP and writing posts because I like what I do.
P.S. Speaking of PHP! ::Lock Down:: will be released this week ! |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Stone-D wrote: | | goose wrote: | | why pay for opensource software ? abyss should stay gpl |
Errr... when did abyss go open source? No one told me. |
Open Source doesn't mean free software, and Abyss isn't GPL. These words may sound very similar to "free software" for most people, but actually they are not for any serious developer: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition_plain.php / http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/GPL .
Open Source isn't a kind of "hype" that any company should follow. Abyss was written by Aprelium and required a lot of time and effort. It is almost unbelievable to put it in the wild without having any return on our investement (who would work for free just to support an abstract concept like Open Source?)
FYI, most Open Source developers (and especially Apache developers) are being paid by big companies like IBM (which uses Apache as a basis of many its $10,000 (or more) products.) Apache Foundation is a huge networked "company" that has big funds and that works to provide its "contributors" (companies such IBM) with a web server infrastructure they can include in their products and sell.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:30 am Post subject: |
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If so why is aprelium selling there product commercially if apache has world wide success by open source and huge backing from other players to keep it going. to me i smell a rat, i think aprelium is more for profiting than apache otherwise they would not have gone commercial. I would rather do it for the love of it, than the money. ( iam not a greedy ass)Then all will be fine. I can sleep more than others.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:32 am Post subject: |
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its better to have free to use, than free to have.
put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| goose wrote: | | If so why is aprelium selling there product commercially if apache has world wide success by open source and huge backing from other players to keep it going. to me i smell a rat, i think aprelium is more for profiting than apache otherwise they would not have gone commercial. I would rather do it for the love of it, than the money. ( iam not a greedy ass)Then all will be fine. I can sleep more than others. |
If all developers were following your advice, there will be only one Spread Sheet application, one Word Processor, one programming language, one computer brand, one operating system, and so on.
Abyss is an alternative designed to make web serving accessible to the masses. Apache was not designed with that goal in mind (in fact, it was designed for elite.)
Besides, we believe Abyss will be over time technologically superior to Apache: Actually, Apache doesn't use the best available technology. It is built on a legacy code written in 1994 (NCSA Httpd server.) And it took years for Apache to move from version 1.3 to 2.0 (mainly because of the bad server architecture.) Apache version 2.0 adoption by the wide public is still very marginal 2 years after its release date. But since you're an Apache enthusiast, we assume that you know all this better than us :-)
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| Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:57 am Post subject: |
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I guess in time there will be another server that will replace the last and be opensource, that's for any software.....maybe linux should go commercial and then let's see how far things progress. Not very far. Warez will start to be rampant everywhere. i am mean developing software is one thing but selling for a million dollars is another, i would rather sell to the masses then to the few, not everyone has a million dollars to spend. i would rather sell my product for a dollar then a million. to many people want to get rich quick, but you will be able to get just as rich selling it for a dollar.
to many companies are going bust all over the world because of this little thing we call money(greed). That is why opensource is so strong. because it benefits the majority and not the few
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| goose wrote: | | I guess in time there will be another server that will replace the last and be opensource, that's for any software.....maybe linux should go commercial and then let's see how far things progress. |
Linux already is commercial. RedHat Enterprise Linux? goose, have you read the GPL?
Open source and free cost are two very different things. People can charge a lot of money for open source software if it is built well. Aprelium is doing just that; however it is not open source. They are charging money for a well-built and tightly coded piece of software. Ever see a server that is under 500KB? A product does not need to be open source to be good--it needs to be well-coded. Do you even know any programming languages, goose?
Keep up the good work, Aprelium.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| iNaNimAtE wrote: | | Ever see a server that is under 500KB? A product does not need to be open source to be good--it needs to be well-coded. |
Indeed. Abyss positively reeks of tight ASM code - Aprelium, wanna let us in on the language used? NASM?
If its C, lemme know what the compiler is please. :D
Because if it IS C, I'm gonna re-learn C and put MASM on the shelf for a while.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Stone-D wrote: | [If its C, lemme know what the compiler is please. :D
Because if it IS C, I'm gonna re-learn C and put MASM on the shelf for a while. |
It is indeed C.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Stone-D,
Yes, Abyss is written in C and only C. No line of Assembler is included. We use standard C compilers to produce the binary (Visual C++ 6.0 on Windows, GCC on Linux/FreeBSD, GCC also on MacOS X.)
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| aprelium-beta wrote: | Stone-D,
Yes, Abyss is written in C and only C. No line of Assembler is included. |
Nice!
I notice you've saved some space by not using unicode/resources ... plus the fact you don't need much in the way of window handlers.
Nice work!
/me scurries off to google info about VC6 optimizations.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Most software that is free to use is not free to use commercially, its only fair to pay for something if you use it as a tool to make or help you generate an income.
So I wouldnt complain too much about it, your free to use it for non-commercial and non-profit uses, thats fair in my books. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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each to there own!
not all opensource generates income. it is true that there are individuals who make software for free and commercially. pity the rest must use and abuse the financial aspect .
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and yes i know programming!
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