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jtc970
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 Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: for those hosting using abyss |
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| what kind of internet access do you have to be able to host? |
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jtc970
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| cable? an ISP that allows you to offer paid webserving? |
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gymboy689
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Karasu Kami
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Anonymoose
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The Terms and Conditions of your cable provider specifically allowed you to offer paid hosting ? |
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Deledar
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I am sorry but i must say this. Why would anyone purchase web hosting from a home PC with Cable? People ussually go for things like 10Mbits lines and actaul dedicated server. Free hosting using that is fine, but paid just doesn't work out. |
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TRUSTAbyss
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| You can maybe host PHP and cgi scripts but thats about it. |
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iNaNimAtE
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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In the Terms and Conditions of Comcast Cable, it says you cannot legally host anything. It seems that Karasu has gotten away with it, but whatever. I do know that ATG (for those of you who can get it) allow hosting. If you cannot get ATG in your area, Speakeasy offers a beautiful 768 SDSL line (Symmetrical Digital Subscriber Line - 768kbps up and down), and is available almost everywhere in the US. They also let you host websites.
ATG - $40/month
Speakeasy - $110/month
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TRUSTAbyss
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well if their going to allow you to use port 80 than your going be
allowed to host at least your own personal website :? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| Not really, if they state in the T&C's that you can't run a webserver, the port is just open because it's easier to leave it open than block it... |
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TRUSTAbyss
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:54 am Post subject: |
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If the ISP Thinks their abusing their privilages , they will
take matters into their own hands to try and fix it lol 8)
If port 80 is open , Use it ! :D |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| ... Unless you've been told not to :wink: Do you wander into people's houses you pass with the front door open ? :D |
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jtc970
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:26 am Post subject: |
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do you need lots of money to be legit hosting a website?
I dont want to go to someone else if I can get a legal line to run my own website and maybe make enough money back hosting small sites.
I hate not having control of my own stuff. |
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iNaNimAtE
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Same with me. After dealing with 1 Dollar Hosting, I could do nothing else but host my own website.
Don't you think it is fairly pathetic that I get better uptime than a professional hosting company?
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Karasu Kami
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I say screw the ToS, i've been hosting since i got comcast (Several years) and they haven't confronted me once, and i've TOLD them i host.
So, whatever, but comcast is differnt in every state, and some do enforce it.
I suggest just getting cable to host your own sites, and screw everyone else.
and yes, whoever said that was right, you wouldn't go for Personal pc hosting, its not fast enough for more then 4 members, its always being used by the person, and you just wouldn't make enough money.
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jtc970
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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im building a new computer,, so I will dedicte this AMD 1.6ghz with 512mb ram as a dedicated server , with a better connection that should be fine to handle more than 4 people.
is my next step after cable a $1000 a month leap? |
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Karasu Kami
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Computer specs mean nothing, connection means everything.
Woo, big deal, you have a seagate 1500 million gig 300 GHz computer, no one cares, you can still have only 344 up and down cable and suck ass.
The reason people always go for the "free" hosting companies, or paid hosting from real companies is exactly that, the connection, they usually have huge networks with T3's+ or OC36 digital optical lines, the computer means nothing.
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jtc970
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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karasu, please.
I said with a better connection
and your telling me the system has nothing to do with how many people you can have connected, or how fast the server side scripts execute?
if there is nothing between cable and its restrictions and thousand dollar dedicated lines then im sure there is a place for something like that in the market and when theres a demand it doesnt take long for someone to supply it. |
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Axis
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hi jtc970--
I think the question is how much bandwidth will be used by your hosting clients and how much bandwidth can you offer.
If you have 10 websites that use little bandwidth, you can probably host them easily. If you had 100 you might run into trouble.
I have a website on a "paid" server which uses on average only 50 megs/da. I have seen abyss server on my pc server up to 7 times this amount/da. and I only have a "half-speed" dsl connection.
The bandwidth need and the bandwidth capability are the two main concerns.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Karasu Kami wrote: | Computer specs mean nothing, connection means everything.
Woo, big deal, you have a seagate 1500 million gig 300 GHz computer, no one cares, you can still have only 344 up and down cable and suck ass.
The reason people always go for the "free" hosting companies, or paid hosting from real companies is exactly that, the connection, they usually have huge networks with T3's+ or OC36 digital optical lines, the computer means nothing. |
Try running Abyss and MySQL with a forum with many users and lots of activity. If you have a 200mhz server with 32mb ram it will go slow even íf you have a 10mbit connection. So the computer does mean something.
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jtc970
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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I ended up having to go to another host, comcast has been dropping out every few hours which sucks.
it's very unfortunate that nothing is out there for people who just want to host their site.
this no competition should be on the top of anybodys list who wants quality connections, better features, and overall better service.
Comcast is a dictator and keeping the potential of its customers and american technology down for money. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I just set up my server 3 or so days ago. I love it. I have 3 hosting accounts for different websites. I pay 400 a year for all that :cry: I have one small website with a message board that is not as active as it once was. I am going to move that to my computer that i just set up as a server. it should be enough to take care of the few people per hour that use the site. I just now have to figure out how to use a real domain name. :) Over all I love this! I am so happy that I found abyss. :D :D |
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Omar G
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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I host a few websites on my home server (Gentoo Linux, Apache2 but will switch to Abyss upon release of virtual hosting, PHP 4.3, cable modem). The pages serve up lightning quick when I test it outside my home network...but images often slow to a grinding, painful slowness. It seems the upload rate slows over time for a single file, i.e. for a single HTTP connection. I thought it was poor server performance, but a quick test inside my home network proved it was the cable provider...just some idle thoughts. Anyone else expereince this?
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aprelium
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| Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Omar G,
This is a known "feature" some switches have: the uploading speed of an established connection is decreased when the "age" of the connection increases.
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Omar G
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunate! I have configured the server for HTTP KeepAlive; perhaps setting it so each HTTP connection is new would increase latency, but maybe the overall savings would be worth it?
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iNaNimAtE
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I've seen that before. When I check out a TOS, I just search for "hosting" which usually shows me what I'm looking for.
Luckily, last I've seen, SBC Yahoo does not prevent hosting.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| "Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications" refers to private and business use. |
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iNaNimAtE
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:16 am Post subject: |
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About Yahoo, well I really don't care who they are. As long as I get quality fast internet coming to my house, I am fine.
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